But looking northeast toward the plant from the end of RWY20, the elevation difference on the opposite bank appears to be a lot more than 4 feet. Peace. Flying a stabilized approach the plant and the runway should have been visible about a mile out. Recently she appeared on Los Angeles television representing airport interests in a debate with the Airport Neighbors Association. Kathryn's Report (kathrynsreport.com) Kathryn's Report: This Aviation Blog Is Permanently Open (kathrynsreport.com) Edit, as Eman said, "permanently closed for a little while" , the entry now says permanently open. The condensate can blow into your path within seconds, unexpectedly. E.g. What does ADSB have to do with this preventable accident? If you fly through a light, dry snow shower, you're unlikely to see ice accumulation. Their airplane was fully intact like this one.Here is a quote from that report:"The FAA published Seat Belts and Shoulder Harnesses, Smart Protection for Small Airplanes (AM-400-90/2). Their bond was unbreakable, and their most fun times were spent together, especially when traveling the world. Comments upthread didn't draw insults to the suggestion that N928JP may have experienced diminishing lift due to contamination accumulation on flight surfaces that built up during two approach attempts in light snow and mist.This part of what you wrote seemed odd, however:"Ice on the rotor and starter blades"Turbine engines have sets of rotor and stator blades. In her job as Commissioner Doris is in the forefront of efforts to retain the very busy Santa Monica airport which is threatened by a very small but vocal group of neighbors and an unsympathetic City Council. Non-credible to believe roof was perceived as runway with continuation all the way to impact by a pilot expecting the river to lay across the approach end of the runway as it had always been in every previous landing there. The Gem plant was described as newly constructed when highlighted in a 2012 upgrade project info page:http://www.roguepump.com/documents/gem-state-processing-case-study.pdf, The Gem Plant in Heyburn shows up at 2010 on the company history timeline, here:https://www.oregonpotato.com/aboutopc/#history, January 2011 news article expected the new plant to be up and running spring or early summer that year:https://www.potatopro.com/news/2011/burleyheyburn-dehydrated-potato-plant-open-early-year. A lot of conjecture in this comment, I have over 200 instrument approaches to this airport (of course all have been at minimums :-)), the silos don't come in to play, neither do the cooling towers, it is a tricky approach with a lot of thermal issues from the potato plant and river and roadways but nothing a 1500+ hour pilot can't handle. The obstacle database shows a red light on the stack, but photocell would likely keep it off after sunrise.Watch the Kameraone.com scene video in comments further down, it helps visualize snow fall effects that were still intermittently occurring after ladder trucks arrived. She established -857 and kept it there and kept going. She was so young and beautiful and now she is gone. How could anyone be up here, see Gods creation, and doubt His love? she had asked. The airplane was recovered to a secure facility for further examination. Date and Time: April 13, 2022, 08:32 Local, Flight Conducted Under: Part 135: Air taxi & commuter - Non-scheduled. G1000 avionics can log a lot of data if and only if you have a formatted SD card in the top slot of the MFD. The wings are normally the last structural component to collect ice. . Also, someone suggested that the engine might of cut out which I never heard as an issue for that engine.A lot of theory's and conjecture which I find every theory interesting. In this case, you have an unconventional approach angle, no vertical guidance, no VASI, no PAPI. The tiny Cessna 210M aircraft with five men on board disappeared somewhere over the NSW Barrington Tops almost 34 years ago - the final, panicked transmissions from its pilot suggesting things . A Ninety-Nines newsletter described the judge's wife Doris's successful effort to keep SMO open back when she was on the commission. So 4,152' + 213' = 4,365' MSL at the smokestack. Please stop commenting on things you don't even comprehend or until you bother to understand the known facts. Interestingly, he showed FAA correspondence admitting that the plant stacks penetrated the approach surface. Runway 20 has one. There were three people on board who sustained injuries in the crash. To Anonymous, use a fake name so I can see who the insults are directed atIs snow considered icing conditions?Snow doesn't always equal known icing conditions. From the preliminary ntsb report:"According to a witness, located about one quarter mile away, he first heard, then observed the airplane descend out of the clouds then immediately went into a steam cloud, which was produced from a set of six smokestacks located on the same roof. But I got my wish too. You have any proof of that? That's not much time at 90-100kts, about 20 seconds from the time the aircraft hits decision altitude 500 feet above the ground to the time it is paralell to the stacks.On a 3 degree glidpath to LPV minimums you are 54 feet above the normal threshold. "Same document, regarding high intensity flashing white obstruction lights during daytime with automatically selected reduced intensities for twilight and nighttime operations:"should not be recommended on structures 500 feet (153m) AGL or less unless an FAA aeronautical study shows otherwise."https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC%2070%207460-1K.pdf. Think logically: If the roof could be seen and descended toward as if it was runway, the Snake river and railroad bridge would be expected to occupy that same view. "From:http://backissues.smdp.com/090820.pdf(See pdf sheet 10). OTD in 1997, SilkAir Flight 185 crashes into the Musi River in Indonesia after abruptly diving from its cruise altitude. Silos? No civilians were reported injured on the beach, officials added. VIDEO! On August 25, 2001, a Cessna 402 twin-engine light aircraft crashed shortly after takeoff from Marsh Harbour Airport on the Abaco Islands of the Bahamas, killing the pilot and all eight passengers on board. The pilot reported passing the initial approach fix, and about 4 minutes later reported a missed approach. A viewpoint location one quarter mile (1,320 feet) toward the airport from the stack (such as at Gossner's areas adjacent to 7th Avenue) would be very likely to see the approaching aircraft appear to descend into the water vapor plume, but viewpoint locations off to the side of the flight track or Northeast of the stacks have a different perspective.Plant has operated since 2011, so there has been a long period of opportunity where the water vapor plume from the dryer stacks were operating under similar weather conditions and subject to observation, photos and videos of plume behaviour in all wx conditions.Potato plant created artificial IFR conditions! In general, FlightAware is not intended to be an accurate indication of aircraft altitudes and positions for forensic purposes, so armchair investigators would do well not to draw detailed conclusions from FA data. These would apply to a frequent, small, non-precision, destination airport, and those of us that taught approaches appreciated visualizing the descent or stepdowns to MDA. I will say that the analyses here have been very well thought out and thought provoking. What people want to see is their own conjecture. Forget all the right triangle calculations for a moment and think of this; The pilot was flying 70 to 75' agl, 2500 feet from the threshold. YOU DO NOT NEED TRIG OR OTHER BULL. I can attest to having my aircraft rocked by turbulence simply from the warm air currents gently rising from a dark field, so I have no doubt that a concentrated column of moist hot air being spewed out of a row of smokestacks could have a very serious effect on a light aircraft. There is a parallel expressway, I-20, beyond runway 24 - at that time of day it would have been crammed with bumper to bumper rush hour morning traffic with parallel lines of red and white lights, little dots repeating perfectly. As any pilot knows, the altitudes reported by FlightAware are uncorrected pressure altitudes and do not reflect the corrected indicated barometric altitude that pilots reference for assigned altitudes, MDA, etc. Additionally, with the needles centered she would have been 100 feet to the right of the stacks on a normal GPS approach.Looking at the ADS-B track on the missed it shows her at 6950 which should be coming from the GPS. The comments at Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 2:55:00 AM were debunking the broken "busted minimums" mantra that some armchair NTSB investigators on here are parroting here from their misinterpretation of inprecise FlightAware data. There are no obstruction clearance guarantees below the MDA. The airplane came to rest on its right side. I grew up near a small airport most people just complained about the noise, and crashes until it was shut down tract homes were built there. Did you notice the color of the smoke stack? A loss of power, icing, or other emergency situation is definitely possible. For rise, the difference between the uncompensated raw reported altitudes at the two points will be used. The silos were within TERPS requirements. The collision smokestack is directly on centerline. Cessna 182P Skylane, N58807: Fatal accident occurred September 05, 2022 in Cleveland, Bradley County, Tennessee . "It was a 100% bound to happen eventuality." Kathryn's Report: Most Read This Year Cessna 208B Grand Caravan, N928JP: Fatal accident occurred April 13, 2022 near Burley Municipal Airport (KBYI), Cassia County, Idaho Cirrus SR22 GTS, N24LA: Fatal accident occurred May 06, 2022 in the Atlantic Ocean near Tybee Island, Georgia A local phenomena, such as a plant pumping massive amounts of moisture into the air under those conditions is going to produce significantly more of a condensation plume than it would on a drier day (as would be more typical in that region). But to go below the MDA prior to 1.1 miles from the runway kinda busts the approach. Additionally, someone posted where the chimney was located, about 100 feet to the left. The plant releases huge quantities of hot water vapour through stacks, (industrial chimneys). @Cmor - Using 1 mile visibility was incorrect in your reply to that commenter.The 14:25Z AWOS report of 1 1/2SM visibility is displaced 5,260 feet toward the aircraft by the time the aircraft came into view of the camera at Gem more than 7 minutes later at 14:32:25 if you are applying the 7 knot wind as positional displacement downwind based on time elapsed after individual AWOS condition reports.1425Z AUTO 20008KT 1 1/2SM -SN BR BKN021 OVC028AWOS shows 1SM, 1 1/2SM, 2SM visibility progression:KBYI 131420Z AUTO 20007KT 1SM -SN BR BKN021 OVC026 M03/M06 A2997KBYI 131425Z AUTO 20008KT 1 1/2SM -SN BR BKN021 OVC028 M03/M06 A2997KBYI 131430Z AUTO 20007KT 2SM -SN BR BKN021 OVC028 M03/M06 A2997. The Newmar Dutch Star is available in 37-, 40-, and 43-foot coaches. 1, 1, 1 1/2, 2 statute mile visibility was not previously discussed in comments.) Notice how the un-guarded ladder portion below the guarded portion of the ladder above the mid-deck platform is angled as a result of the top of the caged portion of the upper ladder having been pushed to the left.Pre-accident street view shows ladder system was straight:https://goo.gl/maps/tPdJ43wFNooD2PUX8, Viewing from ground level by opening and swinging around in these views provides additional context: Street view looking at RW20 centerline from 7th street that can be spun around to face the other way:https://goo.gl/maps/Mv4KYwWvVj7FTW2s5Street view showing another side view of stacks, single stack that is the subject of ladder discussion is at the far right:https://goo.gl/maps/Jfy1KdpC4Yfyiwu77, ^^ Corrected link for pre-accident street view that shows yellow ladder system was straight:https://goo.gl/maps/CqTD5vsKPo3e2cK99. Presumably, the decision to descend from cruise altitude for BYI on the accident day followed similar protocol.Let's look at the METARs available for making the real-time decision on each of those two days:The divert from BYI to Twin Falls on the day before the accident shows up as a turn toward TWF underway at 14:52:44 Z. Brittney was a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and served a mission in Birmingham, England from 2015-2017. Even reading 50 feet low she should have been 110 feet above that chimney/stack. Applying the full +50 feet of declared tolerance to 100' AGL and 4,256' MSL takes 50 feet out of the 79' and 89' foot clearance numbers leaving pass-over clearances of just 13 and 23 feet.What a can of worms. That having been said, in the post-crash video it appears that the aircraft may have clipped that safety cage about 30 feet below the top of the chimney/stack.As for the plant, since that large chimney is less than 200 feet (14 CFR 77), any lighting would have been voluntary (AC70/7460-1K 01FEB2007). I believe the stack in question WAS added relatively recently (it is NOT one of the six clustered together, is was by itself on a different part of the roof. This is all in the best glide speed numbers. It shows the end of RWY20 as 4143' at the threshold, and 4160' on the ground beside the potato plant. Kathryn's Report: Most Read This Year Cessna 208B Grand Caravan, N928JP: Fatal accident occurred April 13, 2022 near Burley Municipal Airport (KBYI), Cassia County, Idaho Cirrus SR22 GTS, N24LA: Fatal accident occurred May 06, 2022 in the Atlantic Ocean near Tybee Island, Georgia In the USA people get fed a steady diet of emotionalized and sensationalized TV and other media from an early age on around the clock and everywhere, airports, waiting rooms and especially at home. Do you think it's unreasonable for a pilot to descend to a standard 3.0 degree glidepath once they have the runway in sight? But mostly commercials.That helps in creating a neurotic anxious people who become good consumers and worker bees happy to get paid little in exchange for jingoism to be proud of. The imgur caption has the correct runway number. He is an avid aviator, and his wife, Doris, is a member of the Ninety-Nines, the international organization of women pilots." 2 Vista residents killed in small plane crash in Arizona. Yes, sorry about the typo, runway 20, not 30. i suggest you read it, and digest it. What do you think all those government agencies are like the SEC and OSHA are for? The real-life nature of what transpired reveals a complete pilot disregard for a multitude of no-go factors and specifically communicated warnings.https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/Document/docBLOB?ID=13775462&FileExtension=pdf&FileName=CEN20FA022_CVR_Report_RELEASE-Rel.pdfDocket:https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket?ProjectID=100636. . There's no way to verify that your approach angle is correct because there's no vertical guidance nor is there a PAPI or VASI on that runway. i blame it on the steam cloud. To get the actual indicated altitude, you need to correct it with the local altimeter setting. I'd be the same. He's getting his wish. October 10, 2021 9:53am. I think the witness is correct, based on my calculation as followsThe ASOS reported 1SM visibility. A plane that crashed in Hampton last month had no mechanical issues before it went down, killing Blue Origin astronaut Glen de Vries and his Essex County flight . The left horizontal stabilizer and elevator separated and came to rest about 380 feet northeast of the main wreckage. The crash is under investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Administration. 8:32 AM crash wasn't at sunrise. There are less than 4,000 feet available for landing. Here's what's left of the stack in question, at the 2:24 point in the video.https://youtu.be/aRN3RJaW618. If she didn't hit the tower, she would of hit the parking lot. Their downed aircraft was discovered shortly after 1:30 a.m. Monday in a wooded area in Williams, Arizona, according to a release prepared . The two pilots in the PA-46, and the flight instructor and student pilot in the Cessna 172, were fatally injured. Wind coming from 190 to 210 and the runway being on the 202, it necessarily follows that any plane flying that approach will be in the steam at one point.This is when the pilot lost visibility and decided to go around. The altitudes Flightaware shows are the uncorrected pressure altitudes reported by the aircraft's ADS-B transmitter. Brittney explored many hobbies throughout her life, including piano, athletics, fishing, and hunting. Notice the visibility when looking at a distance horizontally in the 25 to 28 and 44 to 47 second portions of the video. The documents could also be provided on the DG website he operates so that anyone can see them in full context. The altimeter at the destination airport was 29.97, so the pressure altitude correction would be +50 feet, that combined with FlightAware's rounding error and a +/- 75 foot allowed altimeter variance means the pilot may not have busted the MDA on the first approach as was implied. You are on your own to figure out an appropriate descent angle to keep you clear of the numerous hazardous obstacles on final. All seven occupants died, including diet guru Gwen Shamblin Lara and her husband, actor Joe Lara. Harrowing video captured the moment a small plane crashed into a neighborhood near a California high school . The Flight Safety Cessna Caravan Emergency Memory Items Check List calls for Airspeed85 KIAS for Model 208 without flaps or with 20 degrees flaps for an Model 208B Engine Failure Immediately After Takeoff. We also know that this position was too low as thousands of other flights landed on that runway without hitting the stack.The MDH seems much lower than the OVC layer. 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