There was nothing about this most . Afterwards, I had been so used to it that I wouldn't have noticed if it was still there or not. MR. TOBEROFF: Thank you. No. Yes. I don't know. The award was presented July 25, 2008, during the 2008 Will Eisner Comic Industry Awards ceremony at Comic-Con International.[30]. Family Brother . with . I think the Ant-Man, I think it was Jack Kirby who drew it, so I would have either sent it to him, if it was late, or I would have brought it to the office and then handed it to Stan. I don't remember when I first got them. Q: in this photostat copy are scotch tape? Do you remember? LARRY LIEBER: The first time. LARRY LIEBER: Stan offered me I had to earn a living. LARRY LIEBER: I think I had them at the very beginning when I started writing. The Larry Lieber Deposition For The Kirby Family Vs Marvel Lawsuit . Assumes facts. Well, Marvel was at that time putting out black and white, what we call black and white books. Lawrence D. Lieber[1] (/libr/; born October 26, 1931)[2] is an American comic book artist and writer best known as co-creator of the Marvel Comics superheroes Iron Man, Thor, and Ant-Man; for his long stint both writing and drawing the Marvel Western Rawhide Kid; and for illustrating the newspaper comic strip The Amazing Spider-Man from 1986 to September 2018. Did you look at a book again? I didn't think much about it because I felt the only reason I was doing it was to get paid, you know. LARRY LIEBER: I got the synopsis, the plot from Stan, and I wrote the first script of Thor. I think he went out to Hollywood or out to California and that's when Jim Shooter came in [as Marvel editor-in-chief] and took over. He said, 'Oh, I've read your letters.'"[13]. He was 86 when he starred in this movie. LARRY LIEBER: No, not that I recall. LARRY LIEBER: What's that? LARRY LIEBER: He would go over it and, as I said, if it were in the early years, he might correct or change a line or two. See templates for discussion to help reach a consensus. When I went there, Martin put out two kinds of books. After a while, I did better and I and I enjoyed it. No. Please share on social media! LARRY LIEBER: I just made it up, as far as I know. I didn't want to give a light tone to it. [3] When he was six months old, the family moved to The Bronx,[4] settling into at 1720 University Avenue, which Lee described as a one-bedroom, "third-floor apartment facing out back", with him and Larry sharing a bedroom and his parents using a foldout couch. I know there were artists who work for other companies. So he hired somebody and then the next week when I came back to him he said, "Larry, you know something, youre no good, but you're better than these other guys. [4], Lee wrote in his autobiography that when Larry was 15, the boys' mother died and Lieber went to live with his brother and his sister-in-law, Joan, prompting the trio's move to Woodmere, New York, on Long Island. When I did Rawhide Kid, I wanted people to cry as if they were watching High Noon or something. I needed someone to write the new feature, which would hopefully be Marvel's fourth winner in our little superhero sweepstakes. My Uru hammer, I created that. We didnt have television then and so there were newspaper comics and the comic books. LARRY LIEBER: No. Q: And that's because they had purchased it from you? I wrote The Rawhide Kid and I drew it. LARRY LIEBER: I don't recall the exact words, but the gist of it was that I was giving up all rights to it, that the work, you know, now is with the company and and I don't remember the exact wording, but I think it was something "giving up your rights" or "all . Lieber, by now living in the Tudor City apartment complex in Manhattan, began freelancing[14] regularly for the nascent Marvel Comics, "writing stories for Jack [Kirby] to draw",[12] referring to the artist who had co-created Captain America for the company in 1940 and had recently returned for a long, exclusive stint in which Kirby would co-create many signature Marvel characters in the Silver Age of Comics. No. "[8], In 1974, Lieber left Marvel to take on an editorship at Atlas/Seaboard Comics, the term comic book historians and collectors use to refer to the "Atlas Comics" line published by Seaboard Periodicals, to differentiate it from the 1950s Marvel Comics predecessor Atlas Comics. Expand. And as time went on, he had fewer to make. Q: Can you tell me how you came into possession specifically of these drawings? LARRY LIEBER: Yes, it's correct. I know that at the time I wanted what's the expression? When I did Rawhide Kid, I wanted people to cry as if they were watching High Noon or something. Stan had his own way of writing and his own using as few words as possible, making them count, and he he was a good editor. Lee then took over as regular writer for the next few years. (break in testimony) LARRY LIEBER: They I was in the office, the Marvel office. One of the things I had to do was to cut rates and tell people they were going to make less money, which was not an enviable position. Genealogy for Celia Lieber (Solomon) (1894 - 1947) family tree on Geni, with over 230 million profiles of ancestors and living relatives. [9], In 1941, Lee was made the editor of Timely Comics, the future Marvel Comics, then a division of a publishing company owned by a relative, Martin Goodman. He originally wanted to be an artist, but he "draws too slowly" and his brother needed a writer . When he was six months old, the family moved to The Bronx, settling at 1720 University Avenue, which Lee . LARRY LIEBER: Not me. No. "[23] He considered seeking work at rival DC Comics, as some other Marvel writers and artists did, but found, "I was the only one who could never do that because that was the price for Stan being my brother. (break in testimony) The media giant, which acquired Marvel in 2009, on Friday sued Larry Lieber, who helped create the characters Iron Man, Thor and Ant-Man, and the estates of several other artists, including Spider . LARRY LIEBER: No. Larry Lieber (Lawrence D. Lieber) was born on 26 October, 1931 in Manhattan, New York City, New York, USA, is a Writer, Miscellaneous. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. Q: And when you say you were writing the stories, what exactly were you writing? [15], Lieber's earliest, tentatively confirmed pre-superhero Marvel script is for the six-page Don Heck-illustrated "I Am the Beast-Man" in Strange Tales #77 (Oct. 1960), and his first confirmed is the 13-page "I Led the Strange Search for Manoo", penciled by Kirby and inked by Dick Ayers, in Amazing Adventures #2 (July 1961). He was putting out color comics, and he was also going to put out black-and-white comics like Warren and Marvel. Q: And just to follow up on something you said, you mentioned a letterer, what was the job of the letterer? From his 2010 deposition: 17 (break in testimony) LARRY LIEBER: Well, this must have been a Hulk story and I have the originals at home. I assumed, seeing a man walk out of the office and tear his artwork up, that or I thought probably they were rejected and he was annoyed or disgusted. Regardless, his next confirmed credit is penciling and inking the three-page story "A World to Conquer" in Journey into Unknown Worlds #52 (Dec. 1956), followed by stories in such Atlas romance comics as Love Romances, Love Tales, Stories of Romance, True Tales of Love and The Romances of Nurse Helen Grant in issues cover-dated April to August 1957 and July 1958. Son of Jack Aron Lieber and Celia Lieber [9] Lieber began working for Goodman as an art assistant on the magazine side, "doing paste-ups. I don't remember the year, but I obtained them when they were discarded. At this point, business was bad, and I tried to do what I could. It's easy on the letterer; they're going to be using it all the time. Writer: Iron Man. I would have to I would have to describe the action to the artist in the first panel, and then if there was a caption like so and so entered, you know, here or a monster was coming to town or something, I would have to write the caption and then I would have to write the dialogue. Now, I knew nothing about black-and-white comics, right? Marvel? Q: That's fine. I made up stories that I really liked and it lasted a little while. Married 2 children together. LARRY LIEBER: I believe so, yes. Q: Okay. Widower of Private http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Lieber. LARRY LIEBER: No. As Lieber recalled it to comics historian Daniel Best, "My mother died when I was 16. LARRY LIEBER: No. Larry Lee is the younger brother of Stan Lee and was born on October 26th, 1931. At this point in the late 1950s, Kirby was drawing science fiction / fantasy stories followed by giant-monster tales in what collectors and historians call "pre-superhero Marvel" comics, primarily Journey into Mystery, Strange Tales, Tales of Suspense and Tales to Astonish. He worked most of his life as a dress cutter in New York. That was the way I interpreted it anyway. Devoted son of Issie and Marsha Lieber, and son-in-law of Jeannette and Rejean Gagne . Marvel's Thor first appeared in August 1962's Journey into Mystery #83, with creation credits believed to be Jack Kirby (penciler/plotter), Stan Lee (editor/plotter) and Larry Lieber (scripter). LARRY LIEBER: What was the question, if I may? Q: What was your understanding of why or your impression of why Jack Kirby was upset when he tore these up and threw them in the trash? Find Instagram, Twitter, Facebook and TikTok profiles, images and more on IDCrawl - free people search website. Yes. Jay Lieber, beloved husband of Judy. I don't know. LARRY LIEBER: No. I don't think so, [11] "It wasn't a very easy period," he said in 1999. No. Celia Lieber (born Solomon) was born in 1894, at birth place, to Zanfer Solomon and Sophia Solomon. LARRY LIEBER: No. I was worrying about somebody else's feeling, and I figured, well, if I make it U-R-U, there's not that much to letter. Right here at FameChain. You say the characters? Q: Moving to a different subject, you testified earlier that it was your recollection that there were legends on the back of checks you received from Marvel for your freelance work? Some of these stories were even co-written with his brother Stanley Lieber aka Stan Lee. As Lieber recalled of those creature features, Stan made up the plot, and then he'd give it to me, and I'd write the script. Yeah, I would bring it to the office. How, how did you come to write the first script for Iron Man? I did a few inventory stories [in the comic books] or different things, until finally they needed somebody, an artist, on [the] Spider-Man [comic] strip, which Fred Kida had been doing until he retired. Lee has one younger brother, comic book artist and writer Larry Lieber. Well, wait a minute. I remember in the early years seeing it. For roughly a year-and-a-half, he lived in the since-defunct Hotel Manhattan Towers, a residence hotel at Broadway and West 76th Street in Manhattan. I never had to, you know, go home and do it again. Now, I knew nothing about black-and-white comics, right? I don't recall anything until the book came out and I got a copy of it and saw. Family: Father- Jack Lieber Mother- Celia Lieber Brother- Larry Lieber Sister- Not Known: Religion: Judaism: Ethnicity/Race: Jewish: Address (Fan Mail) Pow! Awards[edit] Lieber was one recipient of the San Diego Comic-Con International's 2003 Inkpot Awards. MR. TOBEROFF: That's okay. I try to finish it, but sometimes I can't, so he just sees roughs, but that is good enough for him to get the idea if I captured the scene right. children: Jan Lee, Joan Celia Lee. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. Happy 90th Birthday to comic book and comic strip cartoonist Larry Lieber! Q: And you were writing scripts? UPDATE: The files below are from the submitted documents by Marvel to the judge in the continuing lawsuit, and are intended to reflect Marvel's case. But they, if they just wanted you to make corrections, they might say, in later years anyway, I think they would have said, "Well, put in a voucher," if they wanted to be nice, "Put in a voucher for production work. It depends. [20] For another series, starring the Human Torch from the Fantastic Four, Lieber co-created the longstanding supervillain the Wizard in Strange Tales #102 (Nov. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. Q: Have you ever submitted a, what we call a declaration or affidavit in connection with a lawsuit? And they didn't give me the work, and Stan had said he wasn't surprised that they didn't because they would be suspicious of me working for them while I'm Stan Lee's brother. So once again I was writing and drawing, and that I enjoyed even more than the Rawhide Kid. [6] Lee elsewhere described that move to a two-story, three-bedroom home at 1084 West Broadway as occurring in 1949,[7] when Larry would have been 17 or 18. You could have said it this way, or this way or that way," and I'm realizing, yeah, I don't think of it that way or this way. My the reason I remember is that I was worried about paying my rent, and I wondered, if he doesn't like this, how often do I have to keep redoing this plot. [11] Because it was not standard industry practice during this time to give writer and artist credits, Lieber may have supplied more. Synopsis. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. And he told me the plot, you know, somehow I got synopsis, and I and I wrote it. Join Facebook to connect with Larry Lieber and others you may know. Yes, sure. Q: Okay. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. Larry Lieber is an American artist who was born in 1931. 26 October 1931. Q: Do you have any recollection that it stopped at some point? He scripted and occasionally also drew the odd Western or Sgt. Please enable JavaScript in your browser's settings to use this part of Geni. He also wrote the newspaper Spider-Man comic strip for years. He said, "Write this," and, you know, sometimes I would write, and if it was weekend, I wouldn't wait until Monday to bring it into the office to give it to Stan, but I remember going over to the West Side, the main post office at night and mailing it. Stan Lee (born Stanley Martin Lieber December 28, 1922 - November 12, 2018) was an American comic book writer, editor, and publisher. LARRY LIEBER: I felt that they didn't have to pay me for it. Q: Now, during the period when Marvel was buying your work, did you submit any work, whether scripts or artwork, to any other publishers? LARRY LIEBER: I always wrote the script first, except later on, I So I used to think, gee, well, you know, he draws faster than I can write, but I I wrote and mailed it to him. MR. TOBEROFF: Objection to form. On the checks you received for your freelance work, did they have language stating that your work was work made for hire? I reduce the pencils and I fax them. He was born in the borough of Manhattan. None whatsoever. MS. SINGER: Objection. I'm a little unclear about leaving the superheroes and going to Rawhide Kid. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. Q: That was my next question. LARRY LIEBER: No. LARRY LIEBER: I think I probably in the back of Miriam Webster somewhere there was somebody Pym. LARRY LIEBER: Yes, it was my understanding. Q: When you say you were learning to write, what do you mean by that? With Rita Moreno, Sally Field, Jane Fonda, Lily Tomlin and Tom Brady. At this point in the late 1950s, Kirby was drawing science fiction / fantasy stories followed by giant-monster tales in what collectors and historians call "pre-superhero Marvel" comics, primarily Journey into Mystery, Strange Tales, Tales of Suspense and Tales to Astonish. I was very young and I had a couple of jobs. Q: I agree. Q: Now, as a freelancer, if your work was rejected, you wouldn't be paid for that, would you? Q: Let's talk about Ant-Man. Q: What is the what is the instance you can recall where you had to redo something and weren't paid for that? After the debut Iron Man story in Tales of Suspense #39 (March 1963), however, Lee replaced Lieber with Robert Bernstein, writing as "R. Berns", for the next seven issues before taking over the reins himself for a few stories before giving Don Rico, as "N. Korok", a two-issue stint. Q: Do you know what would happen to the script after Stan went over it and made whatever changes? Q: Did you ever work on did you ever get artwork that you would then write the dialogue for, or did you always write the script first? Larry Lieber has 1 sibling. Q: Are you familiar with a comic called Iron Man? I simply wouldn't have the time to continue with The Fantastic Four, The Hulk, Spider-Man and the other odd Western, mystery, romance, humor, and assorted monster tales I was writing and still do justice to our newest feature yet a'borning. [8], In a 2010 interview Lieber described how he collaborated with Lee on The Amazing Spider-Man strip: "I get a full script. Q: And did all of the ideas for stories come from Stan Lee or was there any other way you would get ideas? Q: Do you know the story behind the creation of Thor? MR. TOBEROFF: Go ahead. Yes. IT GOT THREE . Q: Do you know of other, any other writers or artists who are working freelance, on a freelance basis with Marvel, who at that time were also submitting freelance work to other comic book publishers? You want me In 2008, he was one of two recipients of that year's Bill Finger Award, which annually honors one living and one deceased comics creator. I'm a little unclear about leaving the superheroes and going to Rawhide Kid. Stan's Family Marvel Jack Lieber and Celia Lieber - Parents. Q: When is the first time you heard the phrase "work made for hire," if any? stated in. LARRY LIEBER: Yeah. Yeah, something printed. Being the son of a Hell-Lord, Daimon Hellstrom became a Lord of Hell himself, drawing power from the Hell dimension. He just didn't like my question. Q: And what would happen next? David Banner seeks a cure while C.I.A. But both are doing them, you know, about playing a part. The artist would lay it out and draw it with enough knowledge about what the story is and leave room for dialogue to come later. Since 2021 the record price for this artist at auction is 650 USD for Lieber Larry - The Amazing Spider-Man, sold at . And again, I made up the civilian name. And I took them home and I taped them together, you know, I taped them all, and I kept them and I've kept them all these years to look at them and, as I say, to study them. Lieber largely left superheroes to write and pencil what would be his signature series, the Marvel Western Rawhide Kid, beginning with issue #41 (Aug. 1964) and continuing through 1973 (after which it became a reprint title). Q: So your own paper and pencils and writing implements? I didn't, you know, and I didn't know what it was. My only experience was in the color comics. Q: What was your involvement? And since nobody knows the name of it, I'll make it a short name. Larry Lieber Signing fee - $40. [11] This included creating the names of their respective alter egos: Don Blake, Tony Stark, and Henry Pym. [8], 1950s[edit] After returning from the service, Lieber attended Manhattan's Art Students League. LARRY LIEBER: Henry Pym, P-Y-M. He still gave me work, he didn't want to take work away, but they were putting out a few more books. They tried somebody else and it didn't work out and they offered it to me and I started doing it and I've been doing it for 20 years now it'll be.[8]. Q: Okay. His final strip ran September 8, 2018. Abraham Riesman's new biography of Stan Lee takes readers to Romania, the homeland of Lee's ancestors, and to the small New York apartment of Lee's brother, Larry Lieber, for an at times . [4] Already interested in art and drawing by this time, he attended George Washington High School there. I don't know which came first, but I've only heard it recently in the last year or so, once from you using it to me in a conversation, and then I I looked up the case out of curiosity on the Internet and they were talking about it and they mentioned it as being an important thing or was it work for hire or not. MR. TOBEROFF: Objection as to form. LARRY LIEBER: That I did freelance work for them? He was very easy, he was showing me and he'd make some little corrections. MS. SINGER: Objection. "[8], At 17, Lieber became a messenger for The New York Times and also found work at the Times Square studio of Sam Furber, a letterer whose work included movie posters. Stan Lee was an American comic-book writer, editor, and publisher, who was executive vice president and publisher of Marvel Comics. Lieber largely left superheroes to write and pencil what would be his signature series, the Marvel Western Rawhide Kid, beginning with issue #41 (Aug. 1964) and continuing through 1973 (after which it became a reprint title). [9], Career[edit] Early work[edit] In 1941 Lee had been made the editor of Timely Comics, the future Marvel Comics, a division of a publishing company owned by a relative, Martin Goodman. Stan, I guess. I assume I I I must have put it in and given it to Stan's office, perhaps his secretary or somebody, I think I did, and then they paid me and I I don't remember. These were all scripts in advance [that Kirby would illustrate]. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. MR. TOBEROFF: Assumes facts. Q: And who asked you to write the first script for Iron Man? Q: Did you see any artwork on Thor before you wrote the script? LARRY LIEBER: I believe so. As Lieber explained, Lee, wasn't always the most patient person and I had problems [writing] the dialogue and he said, "Why did you say that? English Wikipedia. Again, either I just made it up or I felt it was a name that would fit a guy who was very, very rich and a lady you know, I wanted I thought it sounded distinguished and wealthy or something. [18] Aftre a while, I'd just go to the typewriter. And where he would discuss a story or a plot with the artist and the artist would write it not write, I'm sorry. (At this point there was a break where testimony was taken 'off the record' at the requests of Marvels lawyer. Stan Lee Children. LARRY LIEBER: No. I tried to get names that fit the the person. LARRY LIEBER: And once I tried, because I couldn't get work from Marvel and I sent some samples of my not original artwork because I didn't have it, but I sent some comic books over to DC through a friend of mine, Frank Giacoia, who had worked for them, they knew him. I remember, at the time, I wanted to make everything serious. Did you have any involvement in The Rawhide Kid? So at any rate finally I think at one point he got a little exasperated and he said, "Im going to hire some of the old pros." MS. SINGER: Objection. Q: When you did free when you did freelance work between 1958 and 1964, you did not have a written contract, correct? [19], Lieber in 1999 remembered circumstances less hyperbolically: "Thor was just another story. MS. SINGER: No worries. So that's why I did that. Q: Let me take a step back then. He hired Lieber to be editor of the Atlas black-and-white comics-magazines, and additionally hired Warren Publishing veteran Jeff Rovin to edit the color comic-book line, which soon fell under Lieber's editorship.[24]. I call him every week. Q: When you would receive a check from Marvel, was there anything printed on the check besides, you know, your name and the amount? In his early childhood he spent time living in. I know I got paid. I believe I did. It didn't work out too well, and Jeff finally left angrily or something, and I had to take over all his books. [21] Lieber wrote the first nine Ant-Man stories (following the character's non-costumed introduction months earlier) in Tales to Astonish #35-43 (Sept. 1962 - May 1963) before veteran Ernie Hart did five issues, followed by Lee taking over. For another series, starring the Human Torch from the Fantastic Four, Lieber co-created the longstanding supervillain the Wizard in Strange Tales #102 (Nov. 1962). How would you know what to write about? LARRY LIEBER: No. Larry Lieber was born in Manhattan, New York City, New York, the second child of Romanian Jewish immigrant parents Celia (Solomon) and Jack Lieber, and the brother of the nearly nine years older Stanley Martin Lieber, later best known as Marvel Comics editor and impresario Stan Lee. Q: Let's talk about The Rawhide Kid. sail to Europe on the USS United States with his family . Larry Lieber was born on October 26, 1931 in Manhattan, New York City, New York, USA. The Mandalorian Season 3 Opener Reveals Cara Dune's Fate (SPOILERS), Star Trek: Picard Showrunner Terry Matalas Teases Next TNG Alum Return, Grant Morrison Promises Eden's End, Poison Peach & It's A Dead, Buffy: Pedro Pascal Had "Best Time" Filming with Sarah Michelle Gellar, A Black Rose Fate Awaits Power Girl (Action Comics #1052 Spoilers), Frasier: Bebe Neuwirth Returning for Paramount , Kelsey Grammer Series, Sarah Michelle Gellar Shares "Buffy"/Pedro Pascal Reminder (RIP Eddie). What did you do next with the script? I learned well enough that I was able to give a course some years later for him. Date of Death: February 26, 1968 (age 82) Zodiac Sign: Leo. They would have thought Stan Lee is sending over a spy or something you know. Jack Lieber (father) (L-R) Stan, Jack, Larry and Celia. Q: What did you come up with? '"[20] Under Lee's plotting, Lieber's eight Thor stories also introduced the Marvel characters Loki, Odin, and Balder, from the pantheon of Norse mythological gods; their home, Asgard; and Bifrost the Rainbow Bridge, which connected that realm to Earth. Q: Okay. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. [27], The Hulk was kind of popular on television, and so I drew The [Incredible] Hulk. Q: Okay. LARRY LIEBER: About then, yeah. Q: Did Marvel provide you with any health insurance or health benefits during the time you worked there? No. [As well i]t was simply too risky for me not to be grooming some other writers to fill the break if necessary. born 1950, age 68 (approx.) Lieber in 1999 remembered circumstances less hyperbolically: "Thor was just another story. LARRY LIEBER: Stan Lee. Born 28 Dec 1922 in New York City, New York, USA. Q: And is that where you did your freelance work? LARRY LIEBER: Yeah, I yeah, I guess. I used to like to draw and copy them and so on. 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